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Thomas Sowell (born June 30, 1930), is an American economist , social commentator, and author of dozens of books. He often writes from an economically laissez-faire perspective. He is currently a senior fellow of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University . In 1990, he won the Francis Boyer Award , presented by the American Enterprise Institute . In 2002 he was awarded the National Humanities Medal for prolific scholarship melding history economics , and political science . In 2003, he was awarded the Bradley Prize for intellectual achievement Sowell was born in North Carolina . His father died before he was born. In his autobiography, A Personal Odyssey, he recalled that his encounters with whites were so limited he didn't believe that "yellow" was a hair color. He moved to Harlem New
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Thomas Sowell attended Howard University which was, and is still partially funded by the Government. It`s argued in many quarters that his entrance into Harvard, from Howard, was the result of an AA policy that allowed him access over more qualifed whites!
First: Thomas Sowell is a benefactor of Affirmative Action! Is his rhetoric against Affirmative Action for blacks validated? And is his falure to openly affirm the original AA for whites a free pass for a man who`s well versed in American History?
Second: Does his existence validate my theory that the results of AA can be positive, whether for blacks or whites and that it is not neccessarily an evil whenever and wherever it occurs?
This will be a high level conversation. Canadians who are socially confused and day laborers are not allowed to comment. This is between entrepreneurs.
Extremely flawed. Thomas Sowell graduated from Harvard in 1959. The first government policy of Affirmative Action was President John F. Kennedy's Executive Order 10925, signed in 1961 and it only involved employment in government jobs. I will make it simple for you. Thomas Sowell was accepted into Harvard based on merit not racism.
Now that I have yanked the premise rug out from under your argument, let's see if you can answer a couple of basic questions. Should be absolutely no problem for someone who has obtained an MBA from such a prestigious university as USC.
1) Was Thomas Sowell an Economist or an Economic Theorist?
2) What school of economics does Thomas Sowell's writings belong to?
Bonus question:
3) What school of economics was taught while you were attending USC?
WHAT''S YOUR INCOME?
Already answered.
You do realize, with answers like that, absolutely no one here beleives in your imaginary MBA now.
Sure you do. Just as much as I believe in your Canadian diploma.
This is a conversation you`ll have to sit by on the sidelines and watch...lol. Sorry, no fools allowed on this one. Now then, if you'll take a moment to look at the very top of the page on the Wiki article, it'll tell you, in black and white, the economic perspective this brilliant man usually writes from.:) It also quite clealy defines his distinctive role with respect to economist or theorist...chuckle.
Stay out of grown folks conversations:)
Wow, you really haven`t taken any economics.
If you are in the field of economics (notice the lower case “E”) you are either an Economist or an Economic Theorist. One is the field. The other two are titles.
The only way you could have obtained an MBA is to have ridden the AA train. There is no possible way that you actually earned one.
Yawn..What's your income?
Already answered. Why can't you answer the questions poised in comment #3? I think the answer is obvious.
So, we find out that you earn less than $70,000 a year! Come on man, do you really think you can hang with me?...lol
See comment #35.
see comment #36
You missed the point. I answered your question, but you haven`t answered mine? What`s your income? Has your so-called toy-train degree been leveraged as well as my MBA from USC?:)
Already answered. I do not care if you do not like the answer. Why can't you answer the questions poised in comment #3? The answers should come easily to someone who actually earned an MBA.
You should care about this rosebud: A link to what Ping-pings earn..perhaps adjusted slightly for inflation..Oh my goodness.
http://www.peng.ca/english/become/need.html
Looks like the average Peng makes about three to ten grand more than what the average MBA makes.
http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings/full_time_mba_profiles/westontario.html
Mean base salary forgone:
$ 59,326
Median base salary forgone:
$ 50,619
Please tell me this is not the base and median salary range you`re referring to! Please...seriously... because I have no respect for you to begin with. Contempt is not an emotion I want to feel for another human being. You're telling me you make less than $70,000 a year?
I am not saying that. I was comparing apples to apples. You posted a link to showing average salary fo an engineer in Ontario. I posted a link showing average salary of MBA in Ontario. If you were to compare averages salaries for any region (apples to apples) you would find that engineers make more.
In the future, please take not that I take great care in saying exactly what I mean. I would appreciate it of you would take care and pay attention to what is actually said instead of what you would like it to say or, in your words, instead of reading between the lines.
So, you make less than $70,000 a year. That must be the case!
Are you so bad at math that you are telling us you don`t know what average means. Let me guess. You road the AA train through highschool, also.
Making any money with that toy degree?...LOLLLLL
At least it's worth more than the roll of USC MBA's hanging in my bathroom.
Your income: Sorry chief. Facts don't lie.:)
http://www.peng.ca/english/become/need.html
See comment #37.
Wrong again rosebud. Read the following and bow low to me.
Your Question:
1) Was Thomas Sowell an Economist or an Economic Theorist?
My answer:
Thomas Sowell (born June 30, 1930), is an American economist, social commentator, and author of dozens of books. He often writes from an economically laissez-faire perspective.
There, this proves I have an MBA from USC...BWahhhhhhh....haha....:) I answered the question...chuckle. Now then, what`s your income and why are you so embarassed not to reveal it?
Now, either you are a complete idiot or they've turned you loose on the reservation and you're not sure of the way home. Which is it?
Reread comment #8 and try again or admit that your MBA, if you have one, is printed on toilet paper.
Looking at that sweet MBA hangin' on my wall right now:) I'm home, you aren't:)
Yes, just came from the bathroom. My aren't those USC MBAs soft on the skin.
Yes, I'm quite sure you spend a lot of time in the bathroom:)
Your rebuttal is flawed, because it presumes that Affirmative Action could not have existed before 1961. What is Affirmative Action? Is it a policy or an act? Perhaps both! Now that I've pulled the rug out from your wobbly legs, please respond.
Racism has probably been in existence as long as there has been a human race. Racism as US government policy, in the form of AA, came into existence in 1961. I suppose history is not your strong point either. Answer the questions. Your credibility is on the line.
Chuckle. I`ve been here long before you...Mr. level #3. I guess the folks here realize who the scholars are..haha:) Sowell is an AA crack baby, and you two don`t want to admit it. Howard was an AA recipient at the time he attended. The odds are highly in his favor that he received AA money, and then went on to Harvard as an AA policiy. Sorry:) Marlowe hates this because it tears his theories about AA apart. The two of you are no match for Cianan the wondrous. Your income below.
http://www.peng.ca/english/become/need.html
See comment #3 and then comment #37.
See comment # 40, and then the drug counselor.....the goverment provided one.
Sorry, I have better coverage than any government is capable of providing.
So, you're paying for your own drug counseling?
I do pay for my own families health care. I have four kids. Do you honestly think I would leave their health and well being in the hands of some government bureaucrat.
Bravo!!
I figure it must be a huge strain on less than $70,000 a year....Bravo Ciana:)
Affirmative Action was alive and well long before 1961. That's you and Marlowe's problem. If it's white benefiting from AA--it's no considered AA. I gave you a long lecture about how whites benefited from loans, jobs, and housing incentives long before the black man did in America. That's affirmative action that was enjoyed by whites-to-whites.
But you two fools keep trying to promote the premise that AA is only an act sanctioned by the govenrment starting in 1961. You could never hang with me in a real debate moderated by real people. I could establish that AA is in and of itself first and act, then a policy. You simply couldn't hang.
I have stated the exact date and the exact Executive Order that made reverse racism a government policy. If you know of an earlier federal document please enlighten us.
Marlowe: This will be directed towards you..and only you. Forgive me but this conversation will be a bit beyond Treb`s ability to grasp. As I`ve stated, and I`m sure you`ll agree, it can be argued that his tenure at Howard University can be attributed to AA since Howard University recieved a substantial yearly subsidy from the government at that time. As far I know that grant still continues.
I think you`ll respond rather warmly to the fact I think Sowell has an extraordinary mind and a lot of ideas that make sound sense. His resasononing is quite often beyond reproach. In fact, I was laughing to myself and thought I`d mention it to you on another post.
I sbumit that Dr. Sowell`s insights and arguments fall a bit short for me because he fails to qualify a fact: that racism, though it exists and existed, is a reality that must and can be overcome. I think this fits in line with your position that it exists along with other biases that we all learn to deal with and overcome.I think his message could be widely accepted, with respect to African Americans, if he qualifed that fact and then moved beyond to expound on the ultimate solution. I've never disagreed with this thinking in the least. It's comprehensive and encompasses common sense practices for any cultural group.
Here`s my question: Does his tenure at Howard University fit into the category of AA? and if so, can we then surmise that AA is not always an evil thing, no matter the race or culture that benefits.
And then, I'd like to expound on his thoughts. The man had me laughing:)
Marlowe,
Before you say anything read comment #3. When you're done laughing, please have fun toying with Cianan.
I've stopped laughing. Incidentally I thought you did some EXCELLENT research on AA policy and it's inception.
This is really a juicy conversation and I would love to elaborate. Unfortunately I am in the middle of doing AP and Payroll so my response, not my thoughts, on this subject have to be short.
Hurry up and join the debate:) The walls are closing in..lol
My time is very short today for reason's explained in #10. However, I will simply say that your attempt to tie Thomas Sowell accomplishments at Howard or Harvard to AA is laughable.
As you well know Howard University is primarily a black school, so pointing out that somehow AA had anything to do with his admission is obsurd.
Secondly, his Harvard admission was based on several factors: Grades, Standardized Testing, Interviews, recommendations and other factors. However it does prove one overwhelming FACT.
AMERICA is not institutionally racist, America is a Meritocracy. Harvard saw a brilliant young man, so they enrolled him. WHY?? Because of AA, of course not, IT DIDN'T EXIST in the mid-Fifties. They enrolled him because he was qualified and they believed that WAS GOOD FOR HARVARD. Like I said AMERICA is a meritocracy.
Your position is anachronistic and speaks VOLUMES in a perverse way. It indicates you think that is the only way a black man could get into Harvard.
Why??? Because your Weltanshauung sets up a paradigm that says the following:
I think yoiu`ve got the wrong impression on this one Marlowe. I`m simply asking the question is a degree from Howard considered an AA degree? Let`s start there. I think you`re getting way ahead of yourself. I'm sure you recall that the Canadian idiot referred to Obama's degree as an AA degree, and my tenure at USC a result of AA. I'm just wondering if the same thought process might apply to an indvidual who attended, benefited and graduated from a school that was and--- is directly tied directly to AA policies?
If it make you comfortable, take Harvard out of the equation. This should be interesting indeed:)
You are putting words in my mouth, again. I never intimated that Obama was one of those poor people who could not get into university based on merit. The only thing I have said is we do not have any information one way or the other because of a Herculean effort to cover up much of Obama's past.
Nope, you accused OB (the man) of getting in to Harvard based on AA.
Here's your income revealed.
http://www.peng.ca/english/become/need.html
Point it out due or admit to lying.
BTW, checkout comment #35 and keep in mind the term average.
I'm sure you will find MBAs and engineers flipping burgers at one end of the scale just as surely as you'll find MBA's and Engineers who are CEOs of fortune 500 companies. I do find it telling though that, on average, engineers do make more money than MBAs
WOW!!!
Treb:
It appears you have really gotten under the skin of our resident NAACP Block Captain.
Mr. MBA has some serious credibility issues at the moment. I think it's making him a little testy.
Hey man....did some checking earlier this week, and I can't find a ping-pang engineer anywhere in the world earning at least 100 g's.
Another claim of Cianan`s bites the dust. How can someone who claims to make a living from the internet not know how to do a simple search.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=engineer+CEO&sourceid=Mozilla-search
Now you have only about thirty one hundred entries to narrow down.
I think I can make it a little simpler for you. Almost every CEO of a technological or industrial based company is an engineer. Are you claiming that someone lie Lee Iaocca was only worth 100 grand a year.
Your only excuse this time is that you are too lazy to do a basic search or that you really don't know what you are doing. Which is it?
wow! I see no indication of that Marlowe. We just discovered our friend is making about $70,000 a year. Why don't you and I team up to show him how to make some real money.
Ok, here it is. The USC school of economics is based on the sacred teachings of OJ Simpson. Certainly one of our most famous alumni.
You would need some basic knowledge of finance, which you have shown a distinct lack of, before you could understand market forces.
I understand your income couldn't force open the top of a peaut butter jar.
I understand that you do not have even the basic qualifications that someone not on the AA train would need to make it through any decent school.
"I`m simply asking the question is a degree from Howard considered an AA degree?" "----Cianan.
Generally NO. Since Howard is a predominantly black University the only way someone could get an AA degree from Howard is if they were white or Asian AND didn't belong there in the first place.
From what I know of Howard is they have pretty high standards, so possibly if a really dumb white guy got admitted that would be AA.
Wrong....First, Howard is open to anyone of any race. That`s proof positive you`re either ignorant or racist. I think a little of both. Secondly, it doesn`t matter that Howard is predominantly black--Harvard is predominantly white! Now what? Howard University certainly does have high standards. However, the school is funded in part by government stipends. Howell attended and benefited, just like the many blacks, whites, and asians who attend today.
God man, you`re just as ignorant as Trebmald when it comes to these matters. Fool, if a really dumb white guy, or a black guy, or asian guy...or a really smart white guy, or a really smart black guy, or a really smart asian guy got admitted--it still wouldn`t prove squat. Why, because maybe, just maybe, they paid their own way. Your third ignorant assumption is that a predominantly black university that admits a black student in with lower grade averages could never be guilty of AA. Why, because it`s black -to -black.
That tells me why you`re so keen on denying that there is white-to-white affirmative action in America. My God man, this is the most telling and ignorant post I've ever seen you make. I'm totally shocked but not disappointed.
Let`s simplify! Was Howard University a beneficiary of AA policies during Sowell`s tenure? Don't squirm Marlowe, this will be a slow roast that I intened to enjoy.
You're statement:
As you well know Howard University is primarily a black school, so pointing out that somehow AA had anything to do with his admission is obsurd.
Again, it matters not that Howard is a historlcally black college. And it can forever be debated that he got into Harvard on his own merits. Thus, the argument goes nowhere. It is imporant, however, if he attended a school that was the recipient of AA financing.
GOOD GRIEF:
There was NO AA program when Sowell got into either Howard or Harvard.
I'll grant you this, Harvard, ON THEIR OWN, may have said hey, we have a white guy and this Sowell guy who are equally qualified so we'll let Sowell in and then we can brag at cocktail parties how LIBERAL we are.
Yes, he benefitted form AA because Howard is on the AA list of goverment handouts. Could a predominantly black unversity exist otherwise? You tell me!
You're confusing program with Government funding. Pay attention going forward.
Actually, you've just described your friend's thinking. I have a degree from USC--however, the only way I could have attended USC, if in fact I did, is to have arrived through an act of AA?! Marlowe, the only thing saving you from imminent demise is there are no moderators chiming in:) Not to fear though, I enjoy slapping the two of you around at will:)
http://www.howard.edu/explore/history.htm
A brief history of Howard University--and proof that it receives government support. AA?
In 1879, Congress approved a special appropriation for the University. The charter was amended in 1928 to authorize an annual federal appropriation for construction, development, improvement and maintenance of the University.
Was this appropriation in place when Sowell attended, and is there a likelihood he benefited? If so, can we reason that AA has certainly benefited a score of blacks who might not have receive the training and support system to excel later on in life?
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